Friday, June 29, 2012

Church Militant TV Versus Militant Secularism

While this blog is dormant - here's something to check out :)
Real Catholic TV is now Church Militant.TV


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4 comments:

Catholic Mission said...

When will Michael Voris and Fr.John Zuhlsdorf say there are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus mentioned in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II ?

Michael Voris has asked to know from viewers the cause of the crisis in the church.He has mentioned some factors (1).None of them cite the rejection of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with alleged exceptions of being able to see the deceased saved. This is a widespread error among Catholics including those at Church Militant TV.com and Fr.Z's blog?

The reason for the crisis is that most Catholics assume that those who are saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are known exceptions to the centuries old dogma.

For instance, ChurchMilitantTV.com could comment on how can Wikipedia say the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus? Why is Wikipedia allowed to teach this misinformation ?

Similarly how can the American Catholic Encyclopaedia and other encyclopaedias in the USA state the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus? We do not know any such case for it to be an exception in 2012?

When are Fr. John Zuhlsdorf and Michael Voris going to comment on this?

A few years back Simon Rafe in e-mail communication also assumed that these cases were explicit and so exceptions to the dogma. Irrational.

In Church Militant TV ’s Can Non Catholics be saved ? it is said that the Church is the only way to Heaven. True! But non Catholics could be saved and so they are saved in 2012 and so they contradict the dogma?!?

If Church Militant TV said all non Catholics in 2012 (Protestants included) are oriented to Hell and there are no known exceptions, this would be in agreement with Vatican Council II (AG 7) and the thrice defined dogma. But how could Church Militant TV.com defend itself when callers-in say:
" You’re wrong. The Church says a person can be saved in invincible ignorance so every one does not need to enter the Church”. Phone calls would be claiming that these cases are not just accepted in principle but are known to us in the present times.

It has to be explained to them that these cases are irrelevant to the dogma or Vatican Council II (AG 7).

Similarly there could be questions:" Was not Fr. Leonard Feeney excommunicated for denying the baptism of desire and holding the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?” Even Catholic Answers and Catholics United for the Faith members could be screaming.

It has to be explained to them that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 does not state that these cases are explicit and known to us. It does not state that these cases are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the literal interpretation of Fr. Leonard Feeney. One has to imply that these cases are exceptions.

If the Letter of the Holy Office stated that these cases were explicit exceptions it would be an objective mistake. It is a fact that we cannot see the dead. This would be a factual error. The Letter mentions disobedience and not heresy for the excommunication.So we cannot fault the Letter.

Similarly there is no text in Vatican Council II which makes this false claim. One has to assume and imply wrongly. The text does not say it.

Yes, Jesus called only the Catholic Church “my church” and yes, Scripture says most people are oriented to Hell and so ‘enter through the narrow gate’ but do magisterial texts say the same today? Is this the teaching of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II?

Yes!

Michael Voris and Fr. Z need to mention this so that at some time I can quote them.This is the cause of most of the problems in the Church. When you give up the dogma with alleged exceptions; a false premise, then you open the door to a new ecumenism, inter religious dialogue, a theology of religions etc.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/when-will-michael-voris-and-frjohn.html#links

Leonard said...

I'd suggest you address these questions directly to Michael Voris at ChurchMilitantTV.com

Catholic Mission said...

I have done so !

Catholic Mission said...

The issue is also what does the Church teach and what is a sin.
I have just sent this blog post to the Legionaries of Christ.
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LEGIONARIES OF CHRIST THE ISSUE IS HUMAN REASON AND NOT THEOLOGY

I sent the following two blog posts to the Communications Director of the Legion of Christ (Legionaries of Christ).


JIM FAIR COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR OF THE LEGION OF CHRIST DOES NOT ANSWER THE TWO QUESTIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/jim-fair-communications-director-of.html#links


FROM ROBERTO DE MATTEI TO THE THEOLOGY DEPTT. OF THE UNIVERSITY PONTIFICIAL REGINA APOSTOLORUM ROME - A FALSE PREMISE IS USED IN THE INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/from-roberto-de-mattei-to-theology.html#links

He has responded
The Legion of Christ adheres fully to the authentic teaching of the Church’s Magisterium. In the case of theological issues that are being discussed by theologians who have different opinions, and that have not been specifically defined by the Magisterium, it is not within the competency of a religious order to take an official position in support of one of those opinions. It would be more appropriate for you to ask INDIVIDUAL theologians for their personal OPINION rather than a CONGREGATION for an official POSITION. We aren’t interested in trying to make theology a political game.
Jim Fair
Communications Director
Legion of Christ312.953.9864
So I have clarified and wait for his answer.
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Dear Jim Fair,


I refer to you as Jim Fair since I am not sure if you are a Legion of Christ priest or a layman.


There is a small misunderstanding and please let me clarify it.Perhaps you will find that we are saying the same thing and we agree.


Jim Fair says:
The Legion of Christ adheres fully to the authentic teaching of the Church’s Magisterium. In the case of theological issues that are being discussed by theologians who have different opinions, and that have not been specifically defined by the Magisterium, it is not within the competency of a religious order to take an official position in support of one of those opinions. It would be more appropriate for you to ask INDIVIDUAL theologians for their personal OPINION rather than a CONGREGATION for an official POSITION. We aren’t interested in trying to make theology a political game.

The Legion of Christ adheres fully to the authentic teaching of the Church’s Magisterium.

Lionel:
Does the Church's Magisterium teach that the baptism of desire is implicit for us and explicit only for God or does the Magisterium teach that the baptism of desire is explicit and known for us and explicit also for God ?(CC1258)

Does the Church's Magisterium teach that those saved in invincible ignorance are visible and known to us in 2012 or does the Magisteriium teach that they are known only to God?(CCC1260)

This is not theology. It is asking a question based on human reason, our inability or ability to see the dead who are now in Heaven.
CONTINUED
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/legionaries-of-christ-issue-is-human.html#links